- "Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs"

"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs" (Antwort)

Abu@Jonas2 — Sun, 22 Jun 2003 20:47:25 +0000

"[...]why was the PLO Created in 1964?!"

To free Palastine (the today´s Israel)?!

"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs" (Antwort)

Jonas, 20 — Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:03:11 +0000

"[...]why was the PLO Created in 1964?!"

To free Palastine (the today´s Israel)?!

"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs" (Antwort)

Abu@Jonas — Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:30:21 +0000

So if the ´Palestinians´ saw the "difference in
Arab and Israel Rule in 1967" ....
why was the PLO Created in 1964?!

Who were they Liberating from whom in 1964?

You Missed the point of the article.

That the whole ´Palestinian Issue´ was an excuse
to eliminate Isreal and Kill Jews.
Really no different a position than the Arabs took
in 1948, rejecting a state and opting for the
same.

From 1948 to 1967 Jordan Controlled the West Bank
and Egypyt Gaza.

There was no movement for a Palestinian State,
There was no intention by Jordan or Egypt to give
the Palestinians a State.

In those 20 Years there were NO UN Resolutions
condemning Jordan or Egypt for "Occupying"
´Palestine´ either.

Hmmmm

"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs" (Antwort)

Check — Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:22:27 +0000

Das Problem der Palästinenser besteht darin, dass
sie sich seit 1967 als Spielball verschiedener
national-arabischer Interessen missbrauchen lassen
und dabei selbst auf der Strecke bleiben. Anstatt
auf die arabische Liga zu vertrauen, wären sie
besser beraten, mit ihren eigentlichen Nachbarn,
den Israelis, zusammenzuarbeiten, wie es ein
Großteil der in Kernisrael lebenden und
arbeitetenden Araber auch durchaus erfolgreich
tut.

Ein kleiner Staat auf der Westbank und in Gaza
wäre für sich ohnehin nicht überlebensfähig.
Deshalb kann er doch eh nur ein Zwischenschritt
sein. Und Israel fragt sich zu Recht: Ein Schritt
hin zur Normalität oder ein Schritt hin zu einer
palästinensischen Irredenta?

Die Palästinenser müssen endlich ein glaubwürdiges
Bekenntnis nicht nur zur Existenz Israels, sondern
auch zu einer konstruktiven Zusammenarbeit und
Partnerschaft mit Israel ablegen und dies durch
Taten untermauern.

Vorher wird die berechtigte Angst Israels vor
einer Irredenta einen wirklichen Frieden nicht
gedeihen lassen.

"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs" (Antwort)

Jonas, 20 — Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:46:09 +0000

I guess after 1967 the PLO saw the difference
between a arab and a non-arab rule of west-bank
and gaza. They wanted of course an arab
gouvernment. And further they needed a basic
reason to keep their organisation alive. Also in
this years (till today) there was the dream of a
united arab nation. Probably they saw the annexion
by Jordan an Egypt as the first step. Who knows?

"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs" (Antwort)

Abu Afak — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:42:32 +0000

"....And consider this: The PLO was created at an
Arab summit meeting in 1964.[9] The date is quite
significant. In 1964, Israel did not control the
disputed Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and Gaza
territories. Not a single Jewish settlement
existed in those areas. So, we can ask the
question: in its original, 1964 founding Charter,
what was the position of the PLO towards those
territories?

«Article 24: This Organization does not exercise
any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in
the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip
or in the Himmah Area.«[9a]

In other words, when Egypt and Jordan owned,
respectively, Gaza and the West Bank, the PLO
stated that these countries were the rightful
owners of those two territories. This means either
(1) that the PLO did not consider these lands to
be Palestinian lands, or (2) that it did not mind
foreigners ruling Palestinian lands.

It is only after 1967 that the PLO ‘discovered´
that these territories were supposedly
Palestinian. The Charter was amended in 1968, as
Arafat´s forces were taking control of the PLO
(Arafat was elected PLO chairman in 1969).[9b]

What happened? In 1967, Israel´s Arab neighbors
provoked a war that had the goal of genocide
against the Jews,[9c] but they lost, which
resulted in Israeli control of the Gaza strip and
the West Bank. In a spectacular move,
unprecedented in history, Israeli Prime Minister
Levi Eshkol, though victorious against a genocidal
provocation, offered to return those territories
in exchange for a mere promise of peace. The
Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser, however,
refused to talk.[9d] Israel was left with no
choice but to keep those territories. And it was
then that the PLO decided these had now become
Palestinian lands, which needed to be liberated.
Thus began the so-called "occupation...."

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"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs" (Antwort)

Frida@abu afak — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:00:37 +0000

Das ist schon seit Januar 2003 bekannt. Wenn man
www.tenc.net abonniert hat, kennt man jetzt den
letzten Stand über die linke Ikone Ramsey Clark
und dessen Antisemitismus und seine Neigungen zu
Nazis.

"Palestine is our Land & Jews our Dogs"

Abu Afak — Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:10:46 +0000

Anti-Semitism, Misinformation, And The
Whitewashing Of The Palestinian Leadership By
Francisco J. Gil-White Introduction Until last
spring I held what people call a pro-Palestinian
position. Like many intellectuals I had adopted
Arafat´s cause, taking what I believed was a
principled stand that blamed Israel for the
conflict in the Middle East, and especially for
the suffering of Palestinians. Because I come from
a Catholic background, and because there is a long
and violent history of Catholic anti-Semitism
(though not in my family), I always made clear
that I supported the right of the State of Israel
to exist, and that my position had nothing to do
with animosity against Jews. In April 2002, I
noticed that media coverage of the fighting in
Jenin was manifestly one-sided (against Israel). I
began to look into this and also into the history
of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This work
made me realize that my sympathy for Mr. Arafat
was based on false information. Here is what I
used to believe about the Middle East (all of
these beliefs are quite popular): 1) That the
media (at least the American media) has a
uniformly pro-Israel bias. 2) That Arafat´s Fatah
is a secular nationalist organization trying to
combat the fundamentalist influences of Hamas,
Islamic Jihad and other Islamist terrorists. 3)
That Palestinian terrorism is not anti-Semitic but
aims at national liberation. 4) That the
Palestinian leadership has attempted to implement
the Oslo accords in good faith but the Israelis
have sabotaged the process. 5) That Israel is a
state overwhelmingly made up of European and
American Jews who moved into Palestine and
displaced Middle Eastern natives. 6) That
historically Jews were well-treated in the Arab
world, and that current Arab hostility therefore
stems from the current conflict. Now, having spent
time studying the historical record, I believe I
was wrong about all six points. In this essay I
will explain why I changed my mind and provide
some of the source material I have studied. I will
also look at examples of media misinformation that
earlier led me to mistaken conclusions..."""

Enjoy the rest at:
http://www.tenc.net/gilwhite/Israel.htm